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Koran Burning. Apology Not Accepted. Why the West & Islam Will Never Get Along.

The violent riots in Afghanistan over the burning of Korans:

  • Islamic terrorist captives were using their holy book, the Koran, to pass messages to one another.
  • US troops tried to  destroy the means of this communication.
  • Afghans riot, killing US troops in retaliation and ask for the handing over of the US troops responsible for the  burning of the Korans.
  • Obama apologizes, but does not hand over the troops in question.
  • The violent riots continue.

Over 10 years ago, following 9/11, the US Military went into Afghanistan to clear out the Taliban terrorist training camps and rid Afghanistan of Taliban control of their government. Over 2,000 US lives later, success can still not be declared.

I’m still scratching my head as to what we are apologizing for. So, it’s against Islamic teachings to burn a Koran. Well, there is a laundry list of Do’s & Don’ts in Islamic teachings that the Western World does not accept. It’s past time to face the fact that enough Afghans don’t wish to embrace democracy because that would be against the teachings of Islam.

From Faith Facts.Org:

Islam is more than a religion; it is an ideology with a clear sociopolitical agenda. There is no such thing as separation of church and state in orthodox Islam. Western notions of democracy and freedom are in opposition to orthodox Islam. Mankind must be controlled by Islamic law in total, and not be allowed to stray from the authority of Allah. Islam is thus a totalitarian utopian worldview. The fact that freedom of religion does not exist in Muslim countries is evidence supporting the view that Islam wants nothing short of domination through political control.

For governments of the West to try to reason with believers of Islamic teachings is like trying to reason with a three-year old. There is little common ground to reach a consensus. One human life, much less four, for the destruction of a book, holy book or no, is not reasonable to free people who believe in the sanctity of human life as people of the West believe.

Americans embrace freedom and life.

Islamists  embrace obedience and death.

Why do the teachings of Islam teach death to non-believers and Muslims who convert to other religions?  And why do governments in the West choose to pretend those teachings (as well as the abuse and abasement of women) are only applied by “extremists” when too many Muslims choose to either look the other way when their brethren commit acts of Jihad and other violence or secretly applaud the evil works of their “extremist” brethren?

Muslims like to say that Islam is the world’s fastest-growing religion. That may be true, because other religions are not allowed in Islamic countries, under penalty of death.

From The Religion of Peace: Games Muslims Play:

Let’s say that you are playing chess with a 6-year-old boy.  Instead of following the same set of rules, however, the child is allowed to make up rules that are preferential to him.  One of the rules he decides on is that you aren’t allowed to make any moves on his half of the board, but he is allowed to make moves on yours.  Another might be that it is impossible for any of his pieces to be taken.

Now, if the child is winning the game – which is assured by the conditions that he has imposed – is it really something in which he can truly take pride? 

The rules that Muslims impose on the “conversion game” are almost exactly like this chess analogy.  Other religions are not allowed to operate in Islam’s own territory (ie. preaching their faith and evangelizing) as Muslims are in others.  Neither is conversion away from Islam allowed – on penalty of death.

In the Muslim world, Christians who evangelize are imprisoned, assaulted, beaten, set on fire, shot, bludgeoned, and tortured by Islamists.  Missionaries are raped and killed.  Former Muslims who embrace Christianity as their religion of choice are sexually assaulted, crippled, hanged, stoned, stabbed, dismembered, scalded, beheaded, brutalized, burned alive and publicly executed… and Muslims brag that their religion is growing faster!

Muslims who gloat over their “fast growing” religion are no different than the children from our example who delude themselves into thinking that they are smarter and better for “beating” a much wiser adult in a game played under manufactured conditions that render the artificial “victory” entirely meaningless.

Governments of the West must keep a wary, vigilant eye on Islamic groups that would seek to kill our citizens and destroy our western way of life. But boots on the ground in Muslim countries has proved futile. I hope our leaders recognize that fact–and quickly–before more lives are lost to a lost cause. Let’s embrace technology and good old spy infiltration to monitor America’s Islamic enemies that would choose to destroy us. (And if they are not looking to destroy us, leave them alone). 

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34 comments on “Koran Burning. Apology Not Accepted. Why the West & Islam Will Never Get Along.

  1. neenergyobserver
    February 26, 2012

    Agree completely.

    That’s the other point to energy independence, when we no longer need middle-east oil we can let them live in their 7th century ‘paradise’. We need to remember that the New World was discovered by a Spaniard looking for a way to China that DID NOT go through the middle east, always remembering that Spain finally expelled the last Moslems in, wait for it, 1492.

    As long as we have no leadership in Washington, all we are doing is throwing away American servicemen. Will we have to run air strike there forever, maybe, but it’s better than being on the ground with them.

    • Freedom, by the way
      February 26, 2012

      Yes, it’s better for all of us if we can limit our dealings with Islamic countries, oil included, Nebraska. And this is another reason we need to listen very carefully to the candidates. None of them are ruling out military action with Iran. But what form would that military action take? God forbid it’s boots on the ground again.

      Glad you like the new look. My blog is a year old and I thought it was time for a change. This is a new WP theme introduced a few weeks ago.

      • neenergyobserver
        February 26, 2012

        I really only see two methods that might work.

        The first is a decapitation strike followed up by trying to revive the protesters that we should have supported several years ago. We forget that Iran is/was the most western and secularized moslem country under the Shah, I think that still lives on underground.

        The second is to go all Ghengis Khan on them with a full scale conventional air war against ALL strategic targets (much like Germany).

        Noting that the ancient heritage of Persia (and irrigation systems in Iraq) was destroyed in the 15th century by Ghengis Khan and they have never been repaired since. This was the cradle of civilization where Abraham himself came from.

        Note that trying No. 1 doesn’t necessarily preclude executing No. 2. Obviously, Israel has the ball until we get some leadership in the White House though. This is getting really scary, deterence doesn’t work well on suicide bombers.

        Boots on the ground, I think, could only work in conjuction with number 2, nobody like to be invaded, I think we could quite easily defeat their armed forces, but its going to lead straight away into a partisan campaign, again like Iraq. Unless we grow enough of set to make it look like Sherman in Georgia.

  2. neenergyobserver
    February 26, 2012

    And I realize that I’m very late but, I love your new look, Freedom.

  3. Freedom, by the way
    February 26, 2012

    In reply to Nebraska:

    “like Sherman in Georgia”…but that’s another handicap we have. Since WWII, has our military been able to just go in and defeat the enemy without a bunch of PC caveats? No. And yes, arming the resistance can be a good tactic in Iran and Syria.

    • AFVET
      February 26, 2012

      Define the resistance Freedom.
      They don’t wear uniforms.
      Meaning, they can change allegiances in a matter of hours, and the friend that you thought you had is now your enemy.
      No arms and no money from the US.
      Russia and China are first in line to take the oil money the Arab states are willing to provide for arms.( they can’t make them.)
      Always keep in mind that we are the infidels that they despise and are willing to do anything to eliminate.

      • Freedom, by the way
        February 26, 2012

        You make a good argument, AFVET. So do we have any options to assist those that truly seek freedom? Do we get more aggressive with providing assylum to Christians in the Arab World. That would be a start.

        • neenergyobserver
          February 26, 2012

          Just came to me Freedom, all we have to do is apply the law we have (granted that would be unique for this regime) to wit:

          “Asylum may be granted to people who are already in the United States and are unable or unwilling to return their home country because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion. If you are granted asylum, you will be allowed to live and work in the United States. You also will be able to apply for permanent resident status one year after you are granted asylum.

          Asylum status and refugee status are closely related. They differ only in the place where a person asks for the status asylum is asked for in the United States; refugee status is asked for outside of the United States. However, all people who are granted asylum must meet the definition of a refugee.”

  4. Always On Watch
    February 26, 2012

    I wonder how many Muslims participating in this Koranifada were children that welcomed our troops when the war first started ten long years ago.

    • Freedom, by the way
      February 26, 2012

      Interesting question, Always. And if some are the same children it just proves that old adage, “Children learn what they live.”

  5. sara
    February 26, 2012

    Yep. Pathetic appeasement.

    • Yantocahguaull
      March 6, 2012

      Whether you want to believe it or not, there is a faetumnndal difference between Arabs and the people you’re using as example. Those people loved freedom and when they got it they built and created. What have we done with our freedom? We created a jungle in which the survival is for the strongest for the past 9 months and we’re yearning to give that freedom away through the ballot box to the opressive Islamists who will take us back to where we love most: Middle ages! People like you and me and that girl are nothing but a tiny minority whose pleas for the creation of a modern state are going to be crushed. Don’t forget the crushing win for the other team 77% to 23%.

  6. orples
    February 26, 2012

    Let me begin by saying I am an American, I love my Country, and I do not understand Islam. From what I’ve seen, the ‘religion’ it is claimed to be is barbaric, the way I understand it. Decapitating your spouse is ludicrous. The same can be said for a lot of their other customs they follow. However, Islam has been around for thousands of years, and if it is a culture the Muslims choose to live by, then let them have at it. We, in America need to stand by our own Constitution and our own culture and heritage. If we were to live by our rules on our soil, Islam would not be a threat, because there would be no room in our courts to allow Sharia law to be heard.

    Having said that, has anyone ever stopped to think that there is a reason the fanatics hate America? Could it be that we are the aggressors? We did, after all, invade Iran in 1953 and upset their culture first. And ever since, we’ve been claiming allies and enemies in the Middle East (really worldwide). It seems when another Nation is our friend, we sell them arms. When we make them our enemy, they kill our youth with those very same weapons. It is insane. What would our reaction be if any other Nation came to America and set up Military bases here? What would we do if they bombed our families and demolished our cities? We need to put the shoe on the other foot.

    Sadly the answers all lie in following our Constitution. We could have avoided all of the conflict over the past (almost) 60 years, by simply minding our business, and behaving like a Sovereign Nation. We have not declared a war since WWII, yet it seems we are constantly fighting wars somewhere. Why? If we didn’t allow private bankers (The Federal Reserve) the benefit of robbing us blind by infiltrating our Treasury, and giving them the power to control our purse, we would not be able to afford to remain at perpetual war. The wars we are fighting are not to protect America at all: They are for the benefit of the bankers and the bomb makers, and the politicians that have sold their souls to keep the business of war alive and well.

    You can hardly blame the ‘terrorists’ filled will hate toward America for seeking retaliation. Personally, I’d expect nothing less. They are doing what I would no doubt do, if someone came into my world and killed my family. We need to bring our troops home, put them on our own borders, and mind our own damned business in a nutshell. If ever a Nation becomes a threat to America directly, we should THEN declare War and be done with it. In the meantime, we are sinking in debts that need not be. Burning those Korans was just adding fuel on a fire that should have never been started to begin with. Think about it.

    • neenergyobserver
      February 26, 2012

      I’ll grant that our record is spotty in the middle east, it’s rarely been a priority, that has been defeating Hitler and then the USSR but still.

      1953 is very late in the story, the story starts immediately after the Treaty of Paris in 1783, before that we were under the protection of England and during the war, France. We instantly started having ships captured and crews enslaved until we started paying tribute like Europe did. Finally in 1803 President Jefferson decided enough was enough and to war we went. This is why the Marines sing of “The Shores of Tripoli” and their officer’s carry a mameluke sword. I wrote some about this here:

      The thing is, we are a trading nation above all else. Freedom of the Seas has been important to us since before there was America. The Moslems have been at war with the west since the founding of Islam, it is not for us to appease them, it is for them to advance at least to the 14th century so that we may have some common ground.

      • orples
        February 26, 2012

        We shouldn’t be appeasing anyone. We should respect other Nations and expect no less from them. We can trade with other Nations without supporting them either through Foreign Aid and/or Military intervention. It all comes down to abiding by our Constitution. That is all we would have to do, to once again become the Greatest Nation on earth. If someone wants to ‘try’ to attach America, then let them do so at their own peril. In the meantime, we’re our own worst enemy, bankrupting ourselves, policing the world at our expense. The only branch of our Military that is supposed to be active at all times, even during peacetime, is our Navy. We need to respect our Forefathers wisdom and return to their guidance if we are to become strong again. Think of how far we came in our first 200 years.

        • Freedom, by the way
          February 26, 2012

          Or rather, think how far we’ve fallen away from our original governing principals in our first 200 years!

          • orples
            February 26, 2012

            Which therein lies the problem. We have ignored our founding papers. We need to oust the majority of our leaders, and put some real PATRIOTS in the White House. If I had my druthers, I’d put Ron Paul and Andrew Napoliano at the helm of the ship.

        • neenergyobserver
          February 26, 2012

          I’ll happily agree with most of that Orples. And you have much right, the Navy (and by extension Marines and Air Force, Marines as part of the navy, originally designed for navy base defense and Air Force because of similar misssions) are the primary peacetime component.

          But be careful, in the time of the Founders, if the diplomats were doing their jobs, there was time, usually months, to prepare. Today, with ballistic launchers with WMD, we are minutes away from losing major metropolitan areas, tactics and communications always affects strategy. My point being that the best defense (sometimes only) is a good offense.

          We have come very far since the Revolution, and yes Freedom, we’ve also slid backwards very far. We do intervene too often, often without knowing who all the players are even, as in Lybia.

          And as far as bankrupting ouselves, DOD is a small part of the problem, somehow we absolutely have to get entitlements under control, no matter whose ox is gored. Entitlements are somewhere around 70% of the federal budget and pretty much unsupervised.

  7. Freedom, by the way
    February 26, 2012

    You’ve got many valid points. I would be happy to leave them alone to their own culture. But we still must be aware of those who would kill our citizens and troops even outside their own nation’s borders. They are the ones that now seek to spread their Islam beliefs worldwide. I agree we don’t belong there as a military presence. But we must have eyes and ears in the countries where terrorism is taught. Of course, that also means having eyes and ears in the many mosques in our own country. And declaring War? Congress has forgotten they have that power and have lazily let it slide over to the excecutive branch. Our leaders swear to uphold a constitution that they appear to have never read.

    • orples
      February 26, 2012

      Under the Obama Administration, I often wonder just how much power Congress does have. He has appointed all of those Czars to sidestep Congresses, issues Executive orders like he is eating jelly beans, and consults with the UN in regards to bombing other Nations. That is why I feel we MUST follow our Constitution. If we did, we’d have already diverted a lot of the problems we find ourselves facing today. Obama wouldn’t be sitting in the White House for that matter, since he’s not eligible for office due to the ‘Natural born’ citizenship prerequisite. Too, those that are in Congress, don’t appear to take their oaths to defend and uphold our Constitution seriously anymore. If they did, bills like the NDAA would have never passed. Ditto for the Patriot Act, and so on. We have been infiltrated by traitors, and not just in light of our problems with the Muslim Nations. I think the majority of our leaders would forfeit our Sovereignty and our Constitution for personal wealth and power. I honestly can’t believe they are as ignorant as they appear to be when it comes to upholding the oaths they took upon entering office.

  8. Conservatives on Fire
    February 26, 2012

    When our government finds it necessary to send our warriors in to battle, it should be with a very clear mission. Then let our warriors do what they do best and bring them home. No more “nation building!

    I really like your new format, Freedom. Very sharp!

    • Freedom, by the way
      February 26, 2012

      Nation building is nowhere in our constitution.
      Thanks for the compliment regarding the new format.

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  10. Richard Rice
    February 26, 2012

    In May 2001, I sat in Christian conference in Anaheim, CA, listening to an expert explain Islam. When he finished, I asked if there could ever be peace in the Middle East as long as US leaders saw the conflict in political instead of religious terms. Four months later New York City and Washington DC were hit by the Muslim terrorists.

    We are not only engaged in a political and cultural war with Muslim radicals, it is a war we will lose until our politicians begin to consider that our enemy is a religious movement with religious goals and look at it as such. Political compromise and engagement will gain us nothing in return.

    In Islam, religion and state are inseparable. Thanks for the reminder!

    • Freedom, by the way
      February 27, 2012

      “Poliltical compromise and engagement will gain us nothing in return.” Well said, Richard.

  11. cocomino
    February 27, 2012

    Hmm, It’s a difficult probrem to solve. I hope that we will solve the problem without fight.

    • Freedom, by the way
      February 27, 2012

      The fighting is ongoing, Cocomino. It seems to me that Islamist extremists need very little reason to become violent. How about Japan? Do you have a large Muslim population there and are there problems with them assemilating in to your culture?

      • cocomino
        February 27, 2012

        We don’t have a large Muslim population. There are some kinds of religious cult. Some Japanese people join them. It’s so scary.

  12. roblorinov
    March 4, 2012

    Excellent post Freedom! Fact is Muslims do see things as a battle from a religious not a political standpoint. They see the US war on terror, which is a farce, as a war on Islam. The US has repeatedly said it is not a war on Islam but that’s not the way the Muslims see it at all. They see everything in terms of their religion and we’d better get a clue before long as our political sunglasses are giving us nothing.

    Many, if not most, Muslims in the Middle East believe that all Americans are Jews. They believe Israel is an American state or colony. They believe that we are the Great Satan because of our lifestyles are void of morals and because of our blatant sexual freedom. They see everything in terms of religion and religious law. There is an old bit of wisdom that says “Know your enemy.” The US problem in the Mid East is that we don’t know the enemy! We look at everything as political. The enemy looks at everything as religious. Until we see it as they do we will not understand the enemy or know the enemy. We need to get smart quickly!

    In addition, there has never been a democracy in the Mid East so the people have no concept of what it even is. What they do know is how to live in a nation/society that is ruled ruthlessly by some dictator, caliph, shah, emir, whatever who tells them what to do and uses the iron fist. That’s what these people have known for thousands of years so don’t think the idea of democracy is going to be accepted any time soon. Look at the “Arab Spring.” Not one democracy has come from that. What has developed from it is a takeover by the radical terror org called the Muslim Brotherhood! That’s not democracy! But in the Muslim mind it is democracy their way not our way.

    The best thing the US could do is to get out of the Mid East completely. Those people have been fighting each other for aeons and the US is NOT going to stop them from fighting. Terror and assassination has been acceptable forever in those nations. That’s just the way they do “business.” Do we really think we are going to change that? Don’t count on it.

    • Freedom, by the way
      March 4, 2012

      Well said, Rob. We must learn to be content that American freedoms and democracy are unique to America…defend our own freedoms…and not try to convert the rest of the world because it probably wouldn’t work there anyway.

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  14. Bill of Rights
    March 5, 2012

    Amazing post, I hate I didn’t run across it sooner. A great book you might want to check out is “Crescent in the Light of the Cross”. This was my first education into the world view of Islam. It was a very fascinating book that compared Islam to Christianity and where Islam came from originally.

    I really wish more people would take the treat from Islam more seriously!

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